it was not michele pierre they raised their hand and said -- it was not michelle. they raise their hand and said, yes, i want this. teachers want something exciting and innovative teachers, because they are teachers, they did the right thing for their children. >> but the politics -- tavis: you cannot disconnect these two things. of the cut throat politics of education, and two of my best friends in l.a. have kids that go to the best schools in this town. through my relationship with them, i have learned about the politics of what you have to do in this town to get your kids into schools that lead to id leagues. -- to the ivy league. fenty thought he was doing the right thing. he brought in michele ree. all hell breaks loose. fenty loses . he called president obama, who has been pushing this race to the top programs and he tells obama. do not tell me there is not politics on this. they cut every which way. >> who this is big politics. let's not pretend that there is not a whole bunch of folks who are organized -- teachers' unions -- with money who do not want to se